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Gerry

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#16 | Posted: 7 May 2012 09:50
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bottom line - assholes and racists are everyehere, and just because they are everywhere, does not make it okay. Just because assholes and racists are in abundance, it does not eman its fine to be one - truth is not democratic.

An asshole is an asshole, regardless of race. A white asshole is no better, and no worse, than a black asshole. See, finally: equality!

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#17 | Posted: 7 May 2012 09:52 | Edited by: Morgaen
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Of course it was the white people running around in the streets stoning "foreigners"

No it wasnt white people. What were we talking about again?:-)


Typical of you people* to hone in on this and miss the part where I spoke about mending race relations.

* ... You people, unless expressly stated otherwise, will mean people living in Fishoek and Gerry. lol

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#18 | Posted: 7 May 2012 10:08
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...although truth be told, I've got "missing the point" and "highjacking issues" down to a scientific art!

Back on topic:

"Mending race relations" is an idealist's game. SA, or any other country, will never be a carefully airbrushed Beer ad with whites and blacks (or any other race) living together in harmony. Little individual pockets may exist, but it will never be this multi-racial utopia of the copywriter's dream.

There was, and will always be, a radical value-system difference between races (broadly speaking – I'm sure there are individuals where the value systems are overlapping and congruent – but we are speaking in generalisations here). Its useless to try and mix oil and water when their values, cultures and ideals are so different.

Instead of "mending race relations" we should concentrate on allowing the other person a place to live and breathe without trampling on "their" beliefs and without allowing them to trample on "ours". You live your life, I live mine – see, easy!

My problem with the Jessicas of this world is their stupidity. Not their racism – that I can still somehow forgive if pushed. But her sheer fucking stupidity of using such a horrible word on a public forum and then pretending to be upset by the whole furore? No, that is stupidity of the highest calibre and that I find tougher to justify. Poppie: if you are a racist, that is cool with me – my own value system and belief that "morality is not absolute" prohibits me form prosecuting you. I'm against thought-policing, and if I'm integrous in my own beliefs, then I can't tell you that you should not be racist. But I can tell you not to ruin your career by making idiotic racial statements on a public forum.

I just cannot forgive mindless idiocy. Well thought-out idiocy I can live with, that at least points out someone has thought through their ideas. I value engagement of brain, even when I do not agree with it. I cannot value wilful stupidity.

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#19 | Posted: 7 May 2012 10:10
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* ... You people, unless expressly stated otherwise, will mean people living in Fishoek and Gerry. lol

There you go and throw away your racist credentials. Any sel-respecting bigot knows it's pronounced "YOOpeeple ! "

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#20 | Posted: 7 May 2012 10:25
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But I can tell you not to ruin your career by making idiotic racial statements on a public forum.

Honestly, while not detracting from the seriousness of the slurs uttered by this girl, my ire is more with the fact that by her sheer stupidity, she endangered the reputation of people like Schalk and Mike Mullane who worked with her. And now, judging by the many anti-model comments made in reponse, other hard-working girls with great integrity are painted with the same brush.

In the same way I have no problem whatsoever with people's religious convictions, until they use it as a basis for their hipocrisy, I wish people well in their hate of others based on race. Just don't think you can have your cake ( having black people vote for you ) and eat it too (call them kakkers and African Monkeys when you feel like it )

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#21 | Posted: 7 May 2012 10:31
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Brad, is "kakkers" a very, very bad Freudian slip?

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#22 | Posted: 7 May 2012 10:38
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ugh.
Color is a funny thing....

I'll stick to the ones in my makeup kit, thanks!

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#23 | Posted: 7 May 2012 10:39
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I'll stick to the ones in my makeup kit, thanks!

+1

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#24 | Posted: 7 May 2012 10:40
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Brad, is "kakkers" a very, very bad Freudian slip?

no, I'm just not sure what filters Blade has on here.
Yes, I now see Christo provided the correct spelling in another post ( We arent going into correct spelling two mutch ..) without sanction, but he's white.

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#25 | Posted: 7 May 2012 10:41
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Instead of "mending race relations" we should concentrate on allowing the other person a place to live and breathe without trampling on "their" beliefs and without allowing them to trample on "ours". You live your life, I live mine – see, easy!

Wasnt this the official reasoning behinf apartheid?

I just cannot forgive mindless idiocy.

So there is a place in this world for everyone except stupid people? Hood luck with that considering everyone does something stupid at least 3 times a day.

And now, judging by the many anti-model comments made in reponse, other hard-working girls with great integrity are painted with the same brush.

And then the other model comes out and varnished the paint. See whites and blacks can work together :)

I wish people well in their hate of others based on race.

See this is where you should read the Constitution. It is ok to hate, as long as hate everybody equally.

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#26 | Posted: 7 May 2012 10:52
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And then the other model comes out and varnished the paint. See whites and blacks can work together :)

LOL, in harmony dude !

You know, one of the sobering things to come out of this kik ( I cant say kak), is the astounding amount of people going "Jessica who??" Can it be that we are merely legends in our own lunchtime, instead of world-renowned and lauded artists we think we are?

Joanne Strauss said "can someone tell me who this Jessica Leandra is please?" I mean, she's a famous model, shouldn't she know another famous supermodel? Unless, of course, one of them isn't famous, or a model

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#27 | Posted: 7 May 2012 10:55
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Wasnt this the official reasoning behinf apartheid?

No . Apartheid wanted "us to live on our land, which is all land, and you do not have your land, and the only reason we do not chase you into the sea is because we won't allow you on our beaches".

So there is a place in this world for everyone except stupid people? Hood luck with that considering everyone does something stupid at least 3 times a day.

Which is why I do nto want to live on this planet anymore. Way too much mindless stupidity.

It is ok to hate, as long as hate everybody equally.

This is where my late KP-voting grandfather was very progressive. He did not hate blacks. He hated blacks, the "Natte, Jews, Muslims, "Apostolies", oom Duppie down the road, tannie Gwen from the Cafe where he bought his newspaper from, Portuguese, Greeks, Americans, the English, women, children, old people, dog owners, animal abusers, alcoholics, tee-totallers.... My granpa was VERY equal in his hate!

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#28 | Posted: 7 May 2012 10:57
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Unless, of course, one of them isn't famous, or a model

She's not a model. Shes simply a blonde poppie with a hot body who won a popularity contest on FHM among men with an average IQ of 85 and the sophistication of Jersey Shore.

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#29 | Posted: 7 May 2012 11:05
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No . Apartheid wanted "us to live on our land, which is all land, and you do not have your land, and the only reason we do not chase you into the sea is because we won't allow you on our beaches".

Nu-uh. It was "Seperate development" ... or so I've heard.

Which is why I do nto want to live on this planet anymore. Way too much mindless stupidity.

Then kill yourself because I guarentee you you are someone else's idiot. we are all someone else's idiot.

My granpa was VERY equal in his hate!

See it's not so difficult. What went wrong with you?

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#30 | Posted: 7 May 2012 11:11 | Edited by: Morgaen
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stoopid duplication
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