Name-And-Shame

Out of morbid curiosity,
There is someone on our lovely site,
Someone whom I'm really really having a hard time biting my tongue about.

Normally, and under the guidance of some peers, the adage of "they will shoot themselves in the foot" would come into play. But a part of me struggles to sit by when someone is offering services to people about something they know nothing about, and they leave with little to no info.

I've had models who have come up to me after working such an aforementioned person and walked around with the same arrogance as the trainer, only to completely fail at the shoot, take no direction, and honestly have no clue as to "how the industry works", "how to pose" or even general conduct.

While this doesn't affect me, aside from the mere name of the person brings my blood to boil, I haven't touched it as it is not my place but the place of the models.

But, if I have one more person contact me about this aforementioned person then I might just lose it.

Your thoughts ?

How do you deal with someone who promotes a BMW, but sells a square rock ?

Have you contacted said person personally and consulted him/ her on the matter?
If not maybe consider that as a professional courtesy.
Said person might not be aware that his/ her behavior is a problem or needs to be reprimanded on the matter in order to stop. Others will be arrogant and continue their assault, but at least you have done your part in reconciling the matter.
If the matter persists, get someone else who knows about the problem too talk too said person.
Most 'problems' is because of addictive behavior and like any addiction it can only be rectified once the addict sees it as so and decides too change.
A suggestion would be is too first gain said persons trust.
We are all what we are now due too our past experiences. Hitler didn't hate the Jews because he woke up one day and decided so. No, the Jews manipulated the European economy for a very long time before he and a nation decided it's enough. It's often the weaker person that has the strongest outburst.

Be careful what you say about Hitler and the Jews. Know your history properly begore making such comments on a public forum. The German nation did not share the nazi party's views on the extermination of the jews.

Just look at how our history books has changed after 1994, don't you think the same has been done to the German history.
Yes, just like when we had Apartheid there was a huge group of people that fought against it, look at what is happening now, most people that gained from it denies ever wanting it, but I am sure 60/70 years ago when that decision was made it didn't come lightly and at first there was great support for it. Those reasons will be forever buried in denial, because what was then seen as maybe a means of survival is now seen as a disgrace, nobody wants too live in shame for eternity and no nation should. The Germans had good reason too be angry at a time, but most realized Hitler was taking it too far. Like I said 'It's often the weaker person that has the strongest outburst.' Hitler's worst enemy was his hunger/addiction to power. He wasn't a powerful person to start off and the sudden power consumed him. He never took time out too see things from another perspective.

Red B

It's your second last sentence from your OP that is offensive.

What is implied is that Hitler, the Nazis and the German nation were justified in their treatment of the Jews.

Apologies for hijacking this thread.

Kreation...I share your sentiments.

I'd love to have a political shit-fight, its always entertaining, its amazing to see people expose their ignorance, but this is not the time and place for it.

Kyle – bottom line – a public forum is not the place for it. if someone is selling you a rock instead of a BMW ( I was not aware there was a difference), then take it up with them directly.

I had a whole opinion piece typed out, but at the end of the day its never, ever, worth it to name and shame in a public forum. You can't fling mud without getting some of it on yourself. You will end up looking like a doos somewhere along the line.

Like I also mentioned in further posting, the Germans soon realized that Hitler took it too far. We had it the same here. The old government had the support in the beginning but they took it too far. The separation of races wasn't the real issue. The instigation of brutal murders by the previous government, that is the real problem. Tribal wars is an ancient thing in Africa so separation is really no new thing to this continent.

Honey Badger. I do enjoy this subject, but it's taking up too much of my time. If you'd like too discuss this further, inbox me and we can discuss this over time, but like you said: Apologies Kreaton this is a good thread. Keep the good work going. The penny dropped when I read another thread and I do understand, but verbal abuse in this regard will be in vain. My advice is that you stay clear of said individual. It's not healthy to get so angry at one person. Best is just too walk away. I do understand this is an old problem and it circles close into your field of expertize. The fact is the people out there see the problem and they are reacting on it. Some people take a bit longer to learn and others never do. Time will tell in which category this one falls.

@ Red B, you use the phrase good reason when talking about the extermination of over 6 million people!

I suggest you be very careful when talking about something you have absolutely no clue about!

Matt

@ Red B, you use the phrase good reason when talking about the extermination of over 6 million people!


Matt, I don't think RedB actually said anything about good reason in relation to the extermination of Jews. When one hears something which doesn't immediately echo one's viewpoint, it is very tempting to bristle with indignation before absorbing what is actually being said. Interesting bit of human nature trivia, but we do lose out on the value in divergent views if we don't first pause, to check if our understanding of a statement is congruent with the author's actual intent.

@Red, please keep quite, not everything in life is Apartheids fault. Rather spend your days expanding your portfolio, 6 photos and a cartoon character is not a portfolio yet. You really need to dig in deep, sir.

@Kreation, leave it be, it is not your place. All your information is hear say from sources. Did you experience any of this personally? From a legal point of view, do you have any evidence except what models are telling you? Are any of these models to do sworn affidavits?

Until such a stage that the models directly involved opens the story, you cannot open the story on there behalf. If you do, and that person turns around legally against you, you will sell every last piece of photography equipment to compensate him.

What you can do is make a list of suggestions and questions models can ask any tog they do not know, and are planning to work with in future.

Hopefully the advice can "shoot that person in the foot" (as you said).

you use the phrase good reason when talking about the extermination of over 6 million people!

the only good reason hitler had was because he was the second-biggest wanker to ever walk the earth. We havent discovered the biggest one yet.

Now, as said ad nauseum, this is not the forum for it - move it elsewhere.

Wow. This is turning into something else.

The only reason I gave this some thought is -
If people were scamming other people in this industry, surely you'd try to warn people about it.

We do it with agencies, why not "training" institutes ?

*curious pondering*

this is not the forum for it - move it elsewhere

+100

We do it with agencies, why not "training" institutes ?

Is it an "institute" or is it an individual?

We do it with agencies, why not "training" institutes ?

You're right. I would hazard a guess that it's because agencies, fake or otherwise, sit on the "outside" luring people from the site. Whereas these "Model Academies" start with some girl imagining that her "success" stands her in good stead to teach others, for a fee. Because such a person posts and interacts more on the site, we would normally be more tolerant. Even if it's clear they have no clue as to what the industry requires.

Once again, it's a case of mediocrity and sometimes really crap advice, flourishing because nobody says anything.
I agree with RedB, in that first port of call should be to tell the misguided one "Hey, you are not teaching these girls anything of value. All it does is make them delude themselves that they are somehow Trained, which actually leads to them simply making fools of themselves. Can I suggest .....?"
If that doesnt work, (and she calls you a HATER !!) then at least that person knows how some of us feel.