Great photo shoot offer! Dont miss out!!!

The point wasn't about Mr. Price surviving.

Exactly Brad, :) this just doesn't have that much merit anymore. Ppl confuse a professional photgraphy with the average clicking Joe too often and then get hyped up over a cheap portfolio offer. People still pay for value, end of story.

Wow!!, how the hell am I goona survive with people doing this all the time. Man!! Makes me mad!!


People still pay for value, end of story.


Gggg, this horse has been flogged, given mouth to mouth, flogged again.....and again.

Maybe some photographers must just start to realize that they actually are not that good to begin with! The exceptional photographers will still have the well paid career. The rest must start getting a job, and enjoy their hobby.

Years ago, very few households had a camera, so the one with the equipment was a professional.

100 years ago the most respected and well educated people in any town was the town's teacher and priester/paster. Today they one of the worst paid careers.

Same horse feed, different manure.

Any art, including photography must first of all be done for the passion!

PS! If any tog react against the "you not as good...", then I guest you know the shoe fits. The ones that know they better, wont need to react.

is a great deal and even better opportunity for some of the models out there, starting off or just looking for new shots to update ports

I'd rather do TF than soot at such an "insulting" rate. Any self-respecting model would either pay full price or work TF - paying less for an entire shoot than a good make-up job is suspect. And if the tog and/or MUA is "experimenting" or "building a port" they have no business charging.

100 years ago the most respected and well educated people in any town was the town's teacher and priester/paster. Today they one of the worst paid careers.

And with reason - its amazing that people who believe in fairy tales in the face of glaring evidence to the contrary are paid at all.

Any art, including photography must first of all be done for the passion!

True... but even artists need to eat. Passion never paid a bill. Try telling MTN you want them to provide you with free phone calls because they need to be passionate about telecommunications. The biggest lie anyone ever told (apart from the preachers mentioned above) is that "passion" will get you places. Bullshit. Hard work and business skills will get you places. Passion is tertiary at best. Passion will get you 10 000 likes on Facebook, it will get you daily deviations on DA, but it won't put a single baked bean on the table unless you know how to run your business. Putting up shoots for R350.00 will put you in the poorhouse quicker, and destroy your reputation quicker, than offering TF deals. Either you charge a decent rate for a shoot, or you don't charge at all. I'd rather have one client a month paying me R3,500 than 10 clients paying me R350.

If any tog react against the "you not as good...", then I guest you know the shoe fits.



Size sevven-anna-haff please.

"If anything is too good to be true, it usually is" – Alfred E Neuman.

Well here is an official reply from the Deuces Wild himself, just waiting for the account to be activated that's why the post is on my account.

"Thank you all the negative feedback you are just motivating me to do better, which I am.

The price are so low cause; unlike most of you I have a professional career and I do not need the money, but I am not willing work for free. Since I am not dependent on the money I can enjoy the hobby and hopefully satisfy willing candidates and better myself.

I never planned to get into the business and it all happened by accident, I am exploring what might be a talent and haven't been doing this for long but I am focused on improving my skills.

The 3 people complaining about my work are in the minority; I am getting enough likes on Modelbook SA Portfolios and other sources to keep me going, and here is the proof;

URL

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Probably wasn't the best decision posting the add to this forum yet, but I am here to stay so get over yourself and try to be constructive instead of destructive, you have nothing to gain by acting with this type of behaviour. Remember that at point in your career you were also struggling to make it, no one is instantly great at anything, whether it's modelling or photography.

"the harder the battle the sweeter the victory." - Bob Marley

Regards,
The Boss @ DeucesWild Photography

For all the haters; please like my Facebook page http://www.facebook.com/DeucesWildPhotography and let's see in 3 months if your opinion changes.
"

WOW...! Haterz? Seriously?

I don't know what to say really. If someone believes that Facebook "Likes" equates to success of some kind, then I'm afraid nothing I can offer is going to be on that level.
You certainly arent going to understand anything about what Gerry has alluded to above re rather shooting for TFCD.

Modelbook SA Portfolios (Trust me, I was an Administrator there when my FB was active) is a group of just over 2000 people, a miniscule percentage of which are working models. An even tinier number of whom are working photographers. Good luck.

The exceptional photographers will still have the well paid career. The rest must start getting a job, and enjoy their hobby

Advice followed :)

unlike most of you I have a professional career and I do not need the money, but I am not willing work for free. Since I am not dependent on the money I can enjoy the hobby and hopefully satisfy willing candidates and better myself.


therein lies the rub - there is no logical contradiction in that, only a philosophical one.

Bottom line: either charge a decent amount, or don't charge at all. R350.00 you are insulting yourself, your target market and your fellow photographers.

At R350.00, you may as well work for free, because you will attract all the wrong people, work your ass off for less than costs, for a demanding crows that will expect something from you because they paid you. Rather do TF, you won't put yourself under the pressure than you will doing it for 350.

Unless you are a stress cookie - in which case, enjoy.

Its your life, live it the way you want to - everyone is negative on here because the "R350.00" shoot has proven time and time again to break spirits and turn good photographers into bad ones.

Quality, not quantity. but - whatever floats your boat.

Bottom line: either charge a decent amount, or don't charge at all. R350.00 you are insulting yourself, your target market and your fellow photographers.

Sorry I was under the impression that we are living in a free-market economy.

In a free-market economy any parcipant is free to charge for their products or services whatever they wish. The notion of "insulting fellow photographers" is not a capitalist notion, it is socialist.

Each person has the right to charge whatever they want to. Charging R350 per shoot may seem as idiotic to you as charging R 20 000 does to me.

Quality, not quantity. but - whatever floats your boat

Freebs once told me "Give your client exactly what they want. No more and no less". If they want quantity over quality then give them that and charge them accordingly. If they want quality over quantity then give them that and charge them accordingly. Pep v Mr Price v Errol Arendz.

In capitalisn there is no "You have to charge more to be fair towards me".

Sucks doesnt it.

If your business is being undermined by R350 photographers then start charging R350 or find a different target marget.

Alternatively establish a professional regulatory body that sets mandatory rates for the industry.

But for heaven's sakes stop bitching. I remember s imilar thread when Carla posted her first "Location shoot special" thread.

Enough already.

Advice followed :)

Christo, my honest opinion of your work is that you one of the best in the industry in your style of capture. I really admire your work. It is of the highest level of art. There are only one or two on MB (professional photographers) that can come even close to you. You must be hired by UCT and Stellenbosch to present classes in the art department!. The downside is art and commercial are not always the linked. Art is about passion, but does not always pay the bills.

Commercial/business (any business) is a thing of supply and demand. A lot of the photographers that keep on BITCHING can learn from that. The same photographers can ask them self why do they struggle so much on stock sites, if they really such a gift to MB and the photography world in general?

R350.00 you are insulting yourself, your target market and your fellow photographers.


Strange that somebody like Bill Gates gave away software for free, just to keep a market share.

And wow, is that man rich.

Art is about passion, but does not always pay the bills.

Thank you very much :) that is very kind of you.

I have done loads of exhibitions and only ever sold 4 pieces. (3 more than Van Gogh) lol My work has absolutely no commercial appeal and I am fine with that. i dont sit around and bitch and moan about how unfair it is that a kid half my age sels 5 painting for R 55 000 each before they even reach the gallery. No, i walk over and congratulate him on a job well done.

Gerry is right, passion onloy gets you so far. So you need to decide why you are doing it. Passion or money cause it is very rarely that you get both.

that is very kind of you.

Christo, there is a difference between respect and kind!

I did not forget yet, you still owe me a beer for your comment you made month's back...;)

lol your welcome to collect.

In a free-market economy any parcipant is free to charge for their products or services whatever they wish

That is true. I cannot argue that.

The only way I can respond to that is "You want to shoot for R350.00? Good luck!".

Strange that somebody like Bill Gates gave away software for free, just to keep a market share.

a) some, not all his software. b) microsoft has made a loss recently for the 1st time in their existence, and is now no 37 in the world, down from its no 1 spot in a mere 18 months (Fortune 500 2012 list). and c) is LOSING market share to a premium company.

Go with what works. its a free economy. you are free to run your life, and your business as you see fit. just don't come crying when you cant chew what you've bittem off.

(Sadly, I've had a VERY expensive lesson in how NOT to run a business - when I see people making the same mistakes that cost me my livelihood and independent wealth, I get chills, but its okay, I won't say anything. I made the mistakes, I take responsibility for them, I was stoopid, I know that - but need for anyone else to make them too).